Can threads of faith and love unite tattered hearts? William Covington, a confirmed bachelor, comes to town to become the new pastor and set aside the luxuries of his birth for service to God. Can Betsy and William find common ground on which to work together for the better of the townspeople? Gabe loves Melinda and wants to make her his wife. When he finds out about her wild dream, he realizes he must either sacrifice his faith or lose Melinda forever. Will Melinda stay with Gabe and become an Amish fraa or pursue her dream only to be shunned by family and friends forever?
Will the lure of the English world prove too strong for Faith, or will she discover that home is where her heart is? Confirmed bachelor Noah Hertzler often bakes desserts that he gives to others, attaching verses of Scripture to each culinary delight in the hopes of soothing the soul as well as nourishing the body. Despite the daily drudge, she dreams of one day owning an art gallery where her own drawings and paintings are on display.
How then can Mike Cooper make her realize he is different than her father and wants to support her artistic talent? Will Kelly learn that dreams can walk hand in hand with a love created by God? Will a young reverend bring stability and love back into her life? Will she muster enough courage to seek his love? Will her pride allow love after loss? But is her heart ready to open back up to love when gifts appear on her porch from a mystery source? Will she be able to raise their four young boys and manage her beloved David's harness store on her own?
When harness maker Paul Hilty arrives in Webster County, Missouri, he finds himself agreeing to help run Barbara's shop.
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Things are going fairly well until widower Bishop John Frey comes a-courting Barbara, and Paul's jealousy takes everyone by surprise. Will Paul try to beat out the competition or end up hightailing it back to Pennsylvania? Will Barbara marry for love or be forced to enter into a marriage of convenience? Will she follow her heart where it leads or accept the proposal of a handsome land-loving blacksmith? Can trust broken ever be mended? Living the good life requires money he does not have.
He asks his wealthy father for yet another loan. At what point does his father's patience wear thin? But when Mandy and one of her friends miss the cruise ship after a port of call on Kauai, how will they adjust and get back home? When old friends visit from Indiana, will romance also become a subject of class discussions? The Lapps were looking for their long-lost granddaughter when they met Michelle and she assumed the identity of Sara Murray. Once homeless and hopeless, Michelle has come to love her new Amish friends and even considers the idea of romance among them. How can she tell the truth without hurting the ones she has truly come to love?
The take-charge Elma and the klutzy optimist Thelma manage to entertain their audience—and attract the admiration of two bachelors, an outspoken woodworker and a shy harness maker from a neighboring Amish community. As fall leads into the Christmas season, could romance be blossoming for one or more of the Hochstetler twins? When she is finally able to make the trip to meet them, she is shocked to learn someone else has been living with them and pretending to be Sara.
Secrets and deceit seem to follow Sara, and she is so tired of it. Though soon she meets Brad Fuller who is visiting her grandparents for during Christmas. She likes him a lot, but even he seems to pull away from her, not being totally honest. Struggling, Sara finds an old canning jar hidden in the barn that is full of encouraging prayers. Can Sara find a way to forgive the past and move on to building new relationships?
But is it a recipe for drama when five very different men and women answer the advertisement? Class members share details of their disappointing lives, work to solve a mystery, and stir some romance into the pot. Is this what God had in mind when Heidi got the idea for cooking classes? Seeing how far he has digressed from the man his parents raised, can Joel return to the faith he once held and break the grip money and possessions have had on his life? Will his family and Kristi believe he is able to change after causing them so much pain?
Can father and son come to an understanding about their different choices in life before time runs out? Add a desperate father searching for his son, and you have all the ingredients for a first-class romance that will inspire and enthrall. The trip is fraught with danger, and Amanda is near death before reaching her destination. Among those she meets are an Indian woman who becomes her first convert and a half-Indian trapper who seems to be her biggest critic. But love follows her into the wilderness and will determine the course of her future.
Sheila seeks a doll she played with as a child, Kimber is intrigued by an old fishing tackle box, Lauren cherishes an antique christening gown, and Jessica takes an intricately designed wooden box. The journey begun in a dusty attic leads each to new discoveries about her own life, and none of them realize the impact these items will have on their futures. Davis Bunn He's a hotshot financial analyst who has lost it all. She's a brokenhearted world traveler forced to come home and beg for money. His job hangs by a thread. Her dreams of making a difference in Africa are circling the drain. It's a spectacularly bad time for romance, even on the charming stone streets of an English university town.
But sparks fly when these two wounded souls must work together to solve a mystery and right a wrong. To find what they need, they may need to relearn everything they thought they knew about love. Davis Bunn A true star in every sense of the word, Brent had arrived--more enthusiastic fans with each new movie, a host of friends among Hollywood's elite, and more money than he could spend.
He didn't even notice the signals of the downward spiral that ended in a terrible accident But God finds Brent, and it is in prison he is transformed. On release, he sets himself up with a small lawn service business and volunteers his experience and acting skills with a local theatre group.
Celia had thought the inner and outer scars left by the accident were far beyond forgiveness--how could she ever find it in her to absolve Brent simply because he asks? A Christian businessman, Bobby Dupree has a string of entrepreneurial successes behind him. Then he is challenged with another venture--one that puts him squarely in the middle of an industry totally foreign to his experience.
How can he make this story into a film when he doesn't even know where to begin? Thus begins an odyssey bringing some very unlikely people together to do something bigger than any of them could have imagined on their own. Their endeavor pits faith and vision against unlimited money and power thrown against this new upstart company from Nowhere called Shoestring Productions. Davis Bunn A search for two missing teenage girls brings Duncan Wyeth and Jeremy Hughes to the streets of Los Angeles, where they find themselves searching through an underworld of hopelessness, exploitation, addiction, and violence.
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As her family sets sail for America, she secretly abandons ship. Alone in England, she finds herself as a lowly chambermaid. A world-weary ship captain is also forced to seek refuge, hiding from henchmen determined to silence his shocking revelations about the slave trade. The lives of these two characters become intertwined, and a place that once seemed only a dreaded detour becomes a sacred venue for the unveiling of God's Providence. Losing the family farm put them on a collision course with one another with a girl that is a complete jinx in between them.
He survives and begins talking about being able to look down and see the doctor operating and his dad praying in the waiting room. The family didn't know what to believe but soon the evidence was clear. Colton said he met his miscarried sister, whom no one had told him about, and his great grandfather who died 30 years before Colton was born, then shared impossible-to-know details about each. He describes the horse that only Jesus could ride, about how "reaaally big" God and his chair are, and how the Holy Spirit "shoots down power" from heaven to help us.
Told by the father, but often in Colton's own words, the disarmingly simple message is heaven is a real place, Jesus really loves children, and be ready, there is a coming last battle. She's done with college but still living at home, ready to launch a career but unable to find a job, and solidly stalled between boyfriends. When a lighthearted conversation in French with the manager of her favorite bakery turns into a job offer, Lexi accepts. But the actual glamor is minimal: the pay is less than generous, her co-workers are skeptical, her bank account remains vertically-challenged, and her parents are perpetually disappointed.
Her only comfort comes from the flirtatious baker she has her eye on-but even may not be who he seems to be! So when a handsome young executive dashes into the bakery to pick up his high profile company's special order for an important meeting-an order Lexi has flubbed-she loses her compulsion to please. Something inside Lexi clicks. Let the revolution begin! Instead of trying to fulfill everyone else's expectations for her life, Lexi embarks on an adventure in trusting herself and God.
All of her curiosity, concern, and dreams have pointed to this time when she must make some very big decisions. Will she join the church? Will she continue teaching? Will she marry Stephen? Questions and indecision as well as answers and certainty enter Lizzie's life in Big Decisions. Her sisters, Emma and Mandy, seem so certain that Joshua and John are their perfect matches. Does Lizzie really want to get married anyway? Does Stephen? Lizzie loves Stephen, but sometimes they disagree about everything, from their future to how to spend their Saturday afternoons.
What happens if they get married? Can Lizzie find a way to respect Stephen's opinions without giving up too much? Lizzie thinks she's ready to join the Amish church. But she has so many questions. Can she really find happiness within her community? Only this time, horses aren't being stolen, they're being shot.
Snipers are driving a blue pickup and shooting selectively. No hard-working ranch horse or Amish horse and buggy is safe. But Sadie's getting used to ignoring Dorothy's advice. Sadie's heart is set on Mark even though Dorothy tells her to steer clear after he ditches her in the middle of their first date. Then Daniel appears—a visitor from Lancaster County. With cornflower-blue eyes and a strong, square jaw, he is everything that Mark is not. He's funny, well-mannered, and completely dedicated to his family.
Mark, on the other hand, finds it hard to tell Sadie the secrets of his past. He tells her pieces of the shadowy story, then won't speak to her for weeks. Sadie's troubles continue at home when she discovers that her youngest sister, Anna, is struggling with bulimia. As Sadie's world spins out of control, her palomino, Paris, remains her sole confidant. But does Sadie put Paris in danger every time they go riding? Or, together, can they discover who these mysterious snipers are? Will Mark help her? Or is he one of the horse-hunters?
Why, Sadie wonders desperately, are there so many secrets?
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Will the truth surface, or is it too hard to bear? It's just that there is so much to figure out. Like why can't she let her hair a little looser on top? And why can't she wear shoes with a little bit more of a heel? And will she ever really just know for a fact who she is going to marry like her next-older sister, Emma, does? And how does it happen that her just-younger sister, Mandy, is going on a date before Lizzie ever has a real one?
So does it matter at all if she eats one more whoopie pie? Amos seems to like her a lot when she pounds out the ping-pong games. He even asks her to be his partner in doubles. But then he asks Ruthie if he can take her home! It has been this way Lizzie's whole life. She has too hot a temper. She hates housework and dislikes babies. She loves driving fast horses but is petrified of going away from home for a week to work as a maud maid.
Now that Lizzie is running around, will she scare off the Amish boys with her hi-jinks manners? She has certainly attracted the attention of the egg-truck driver. A scary thrill runs through her every time the worldly man comes to pick up an order, each time extending his stay a little longer. How long will she keep this a secret from Emma—and from Mamm and Datt?
What will become of Lizzie? Is she too spirited, too innocent, and almost too uninhibited for a young Amish woman? But he's ignored the sparks between them because he's so shy. So Simon's little brother, Isaac, takes matters into his own hands. He's determined to give his brother the best Christmas present ever—a date with his favorite teacher.
She loves the brand-new school building, the sound of the children singing, and the independence she has in the classroom. Even the occasionally unruly boys can't ruin the excitement she feels each morning when she starts the school day. But at home things are in turmoil again. What do Dat's sudden health problems mean for the future of their farm? And what about Lizzie's future?
Emma and Mandy are so certain that Joshua and John are their perfect matches, but Lizzie doesn't know what to think about Stephen and how he might fit into her life. What will Lizzie decide? Will she continue to teach school? Or will she give up that dream so that her wish for marriage and a family can come true? Stephen says he loves her, but Lizzie isn't sure he really understands her. Can she hope to find anyone within her Amish community who loves her bright mind, her ever-active imagination, her competitive spirit and her stormy humor?
Still, she likes the Montana snows and her job at Aspen East Ranch serving the ranch hands. Unexpectedly, Ezra appears, the man who seems to be perfect in every way and fully intends to marry Sadie. But does she love him back? And who is this fascinating Mark who helps to rescue a dying horse and shows up at the Amish hymn-sing though he is English? Why can't she get his dark eyes and tall stature out of her mind? Now Sadie's own close-knit family is falling apart. Mam claims her head is cluttered and unclear, and she no longer trusts herself to make a chocolate cake from scratch or to cut Reuben's hair in a straight line.
The worst part is, Dat refuses to acknowledge Mam's struggles. Sadie finds some refuge in Nevaeh, a black and white paint. But when a dreadful accident involving wild horses occurs, Sadie must move forward into the unknown future. Will Dat let Mam seek professional help? Will Mam be willing to go? Will Mark be at the next hymn-sing? Is he Amish or English? Will he like her favorite pink dress? Will she see the wild horses again? Why do these phantom-like animals take her breath away every time they appear on the horizon?
Her Amish community is too far removed from all he knows--and she loves her quiet way of life. Mark has always loved his visits to his grandfather's farm, but he's convinced the Amish life isn't for him. There's so much of the world to see and experience, and the excitement of his successful law practice can't be matched by the slow pace of life found back home in the country. But when things go wrong and his firm distances itself from him to try to save themselves, Mark finds himself back at his grandfather's farm. Could life in this simple world be worth living after all?
Especially when the teenager he remembers has grown into a woman that could be his future. Suddenly, these two people whose lives seem so far apart may get a chance to really see each other for the first time. But what will they do about Todd, the meanest kid in class? Will he get to see the circus after all? But everything is going wrong! How can she show Miss Maggie how much she loves her? Because Rachel is Holly's only known relative, she assumes that she will be her beloved niece's guardian.
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Why hadn't Jasmine been in contact with her? And where is God in all this? In her quest for the truth in matters of the heart and faith, Judith turns to a dedicated police detective. Together they form a plan that could either save Cedar Crest or send them tumbling down the same desperate road Jasmine found herself on. As she reads it aloud each evening to her sisters Louise and Jane they discover fascinating events their beloved father had never even hinted at.
With Alice dressing up for a change, Jane concocting delicious new recipes for the inn's guests and Louise knitting a beautiful pink sweater--for a pig--the sisters move through the one year anniversary of their father's death with a deeper love and appreciation for their life together. She relished the glamorous Hollywood lifestyle because she had what it takes: money, youth, fame, and above all, beauty. But age has withered that beauty, and a crooked accountant has taken her wealth, leaving the proud widow penniless and alone. Armed with stubbornness and sarcasm, Claudette returns to her shabby little hometown and her estranged sister.
Slowly, she makes friends. She begins to see her old life in a new light. But trouble lurks as she plans her wedding. As she and Jed are enjoying their deepening love, Amber returns to Pine Mountain—and proves to be more of a distraction for Jed than Maggie wants! Meanwhile, a land development project divides the community.
Can Maggie find a solution that will be good for Pine Mountain and those she loves? As editor of the newspaper, can she remain objective while throwing herself wholeheartedly into the fray? The mayor plays Santa, every business is holiday themed, and there's a nativity for the kids each Christmas Eve. This town knows Christmas.
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Her mother had assured her in no uncertain terms that asking for a pony was the same as asking for the moon. Besides, the only extra mouths they needed at their boarding house were the paying kind. But when an interesting pair of strangers comes to town, Lucy starts to believe her Christmas wishes might just come true after all. So she couldn't have been more surprised when, shortly after her mother's death, her father revealed the startling truth that Christine had been adopted at birth.
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He said one of his biggest pet peeve is people going around saying pray for our pastor and our elders so that they may see this or that or understand this or that… meaning bad things that they were doing to people or ignoring.
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His feeling was that the pastor and Elders should know better and probably know exactly what they are doing. It is the people having the wool pulled over their eyes that need prayer to wake up and get out. The non-binding position of the PCA is that an abusive spouse should be treated as an unbeliever and has ALREADY unbiblicaly divorced his or her victim, and therefore the victim is free to pursue a legal divorce and remarry:.
That is a joke. That gives CJM and those like him free run. Many of these churches may not allow a wife to resign her membership. The battered wife wants to leave her abusive husband and the battered wife wants to leave the church, but neither of these will happen without the church putting up a fight.
Danvers statement …. If men fall from their hierarchical positions, the entire gospel fails! And, lest we forget, wives will be submissive to our husbands for all eternity. Divorce is out of the question, no matter the circumstances. For me, the lack of support from the church was worse than the divorce itself. The divorce was highly stressful, but in many ways it was the period at the end of a statement that had been written long before. All that matters is your marriage. You are not a person- you are a part of a marriage. The only way to please God is to suffer. You do not love Jesus.
Having known several former profs and students at Westminister, I doubt that they have a position statement regarding spousal abuse or of excommunication of an abused spouse. Perhaps the PCA might? Carl Trueman, et. Trueman is a professor of Church History there. Trueman, a native Brit, does see gender roles, inclusive language, and domestic violence from a vastly different perspective than many at Westminister. It is quite interesting that complementarianism is much more prominent in America than in England.
The Seminary, as a whole, became more complementarian and inerrant under the Presidency of Peter Lillback, when several professors were purged from the ranks regarding inerrancy. Peter Enns. I also know that Diane Langberg, PhD, used to offer classes or seminars at Westminister on abuse and trauma. I notice she is not listed on the faculty there anymore.
Not a good indication of their interest in the subject matter. Rule your family with an iron hand? My boot on her face or her stiletto heels on mine. And the only way to avoid the latter is to make damn sure of the former. It Is Written…. Sorry Jeff. I had missed your comment.
Yes, Westminster is PCA. I would believe that it should adhere to any PCA position papers. David Eagle : David and Dee: Thank you for covering this important story! It is shocking that WTS offered no statement! They need to fire Estes immediately AND make a statement. I seriously doubt that WTS teaches that abused wives who seek divorce ought to be excommunicated.
Jeff Crippen once said something to the effect that seminaries have not included these situations in whatever courses they do offer on practical pastoring. Who knows how many young men graduate from these institutions, ignorant of the fact that they are mandatory reporters in most cases in the state where they get their first call?
After I got over the shock, that is.
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Then you have nutjobs like that guy who thinks a 13 year old is responsible for a rape at knifepoint. Look, before I taught school for 30 years, I was on church staff…. I just re-read the hiding place. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote:. There is no room for the spirit here. I saw somebody ripping beth moore for saying she talked to god and god talked to her.
Ok, this is just funny.
Back on Nov. The whole thing is an apologia for the existence of TGC, and includes a response to the most common concerns brought by Trueman and others. In the section where they respond to charges about celebrity culture among the most well known TGC pastors, they said this:. Heh, heh. They actually equated these reformed celebrities with those parts of the body which lack honor. Maybe their slip is showing here? I doubt that they have a position statement regarding spousal abuse or of excommunication of an abused spouse.
The guys who do this are generally pretty pro- sola scriptura. They claim to really, really, really respect the Bible. That same Bible they say they revere so much distinguishes among types of sin and does treat some sin as worse than other sin. God gave harsher penalties in the OT for unintentional killing than for premeditated murder, for example.
Jesus, I think, also did this in the Gospel indicated the people guilty of worse sins than others would receive stronger punishment in the afterlife. Are you sure that is how it goes? I thought I read that they were saying that while marriage relationships would no longer exist in eternity all females will be submissive to all males, which is even worse yet.
Talk about losing touch with reality! So they enlist God as their eunuch harem guard to make sure their Accessory with Benefits stays. That is a good observation. No one is allowed out of their proscribed role-. I see this sometimes among Christians today. Regarding the topic of this thread, some Christians act as though marriage is more important than the people who make up that marriage, and they act like keeping gender roles intact is more important than helping abused women get away from abusive husbands.
No time. Teaching wifely submission to husband and pew peon submission to pastors takes up all their time. Hard hearts explains lots. No compassion, no caring, no empathy, no allowing no rights, no guilt, no victim, only the selfish will of the abuser and those who relate to the abuser. Do some reading on the Criminal Mind and you will find hard hearts. Unfortunately there are criminals and their accessories to the crimes in the church. It also makes me wonder why we bothered to fight a revolution, a Civil War, and for civil rights.
NJ : We get it already, right? You can tell a lot about a person by what they think is important. You can tell a lot about a Christian by what they pull out of the bible and elevate, versus what Jesus elevated. What if my sock gets a hole in it, what is the godly way to handle it? If divorce is okay for God, why do the marriage-permanence crowd want to deny it for mere mortals?
I will sometimes point out terribly ironic things they say. You are a woman, silly! You should darn that sock, and that of your father, husband, child, pastor, or any assorted male who happens to be nearby. Because the bible says. You cannot have a lot of their oppressive doctrine in place and working if and when women and men remain single. I went through something similar — not divorce, but my family member dying.
Sometimes the insensitive response by Christians is more painful than the thing that originally hurt you in the first place and caused you to seek out that Christian support. Or it can add even more pain on to a painful situation. The notions of permanence folks seem to be rooted in fantasy land and make Christianty look like it is a religion out of touch with real life. The women do it to themselves, and some of these other women write articles trying to convince yet other women that God wants them to be second man on the totem pole to their husband.
They have made Scripture a bunch of heavy black dots connected with thick dark lines which ignores any curvature between the dots. Headless Unicorn Guy : And female circumcision. NJ : Sorry-i knew that! I needed a sarcasm font to communicate better. This would make a very interesting discussion.
I tend to think for a certain segment of the population they are more popular than ever. I think they are just taking advantage of the rise of cult of personality and our culture. Lydia : Keep in mind I was very wrong about megachurches 15 years ago. I predicted they had climaxed and were on their way out.
Daisy : Carolyn mahaney taught on godly countertops. Nancy2 : It seems our Founders disagreed with them a bit. Its sick. I called yesterday. I will try again in a couple of days. Some proponents of sola scriptura are very opposed to anyone ever saying they have heard from God or felt led by God to do anything. I think some in those groups can go to the opposite extreme of the pro- sola scriptura crowd. I view them as being just like the neo-cals, but with slightly better manners. One would think it would be self-evident that a woman in an abusive marriage can and should divorce if she so chooses, but there are Christian chuckle-heads out there who do teach that divorce is not permissible not even in cases of adultery or abuse.
I wish I could remember where I saw an article a year or so ago about how everywhere in the world there are urban areas, they seem to be the focal points of current human migration. Then the author went on to talk about future church mission strategy in light of the research results. It also talked about the megachurch phenomenon, the rise of multisites, and what may be coming next.
Including the possible demise of the megas with the passing of the boomers. Daisy, I once read an interview Tabletalk? These men. Who are these men who are so hardened to the pain of suffering victims and so filled with their own importance? I found this recent article by CarlTrueman on the current state of American Evangelicalism quite insightful. Maybe in these sorts of cases, these theologians or preachers could practice the Golden Rule: if they were a 5 ft 4 inch, pound woman being physically clobbered by a 6 ft 4 inch, some- odd pound man, would they really want to stay in that marriage?
Or, would they even want to be in a marriage to a physically larger person where there may be no physical abuse happening, but the possibility remains, in that the spouse threatens it all the time? Or, would they even want to be in a marriage where the spouse is emotionally and verbally abusive all the time?
It certainly harms your sense of self-esteem. If these pastors would not want to be married to any of these types of people and would opt to divorce, they should present divorce as being an option for people who ARE in these sorts of marriages. That was one reason I tried very hard to cling to comp, even though I had strong doubts about it.
As to why the men buy into complementarianism, it can be due to those same reasons I just cited, or, some of the abusive ones like it because it gives them cover to abuse woman, while I think part of it is also marketing. As far as I can tell, a main message of that post is that the guy who wrote it feels lost, possibly intimidated, and useless when women are strong, competent, and have healthy self esteem i.
His understanding of his masculinity, which is informed by complementarianism, needs for women to be weak and passive for him to have meaning in life, or as a man. That is how some complementarians try to depict complementarianism. I think some men find it appealing. That one complementarian guy more out-right patriarchal liked to go on and on about how men should be noble and sacrifice themselves for women on a sinking Titanic; men are protectors of women, and women, the weak dainty things, need protection. This same guy was later discovered to have been sexually harassing his teen-aged nanny.
I was being a bit rhetorical, but it is good to dialogue with you here. Thanks again for responding. NJ : They just reinvent themselves with a Potemkin style effort. There is a concrete soviet architecture inspired mega here who is building a traditional church building with a steeple on their massive campus for those who are in to that sort of thing. They already have 4 massive buildings on the campus. One, a dedicated office building for staff. NOT a fair analogy. She was kidnapped by the enemies of her country.
Not the same at all……. That someone would come to such an answer is evidence of Christian misapplied. Yet plenty of Christians are willing to call abuse victims to suffering. That would undermine their authority structure. That is true. When you walk into a marriage, there is a reasonable expectation that your spouse is going to treat you decently.
I wonder how many would investigate out of curiosity and end up going there instead of in the main building. He said he went to an older guy at his church for advice on what to do, because he was being pushed around by a co-worker at his job. The church guy told him to be Christ-like to yield to the harassment and put up with it. He had to show up to the same office every day. The guy said he noticed that church guy did not practice what he had preached when he showed up to the job: he did not permit the people at that office to walk all over him.
He did not yield to harassment or let others walk all over him. There are definitely Christians who think that staying in a bad situation and suffering or putting up with abuse passively is more godly and biblical — but only when it applies to other people , not themselves. Given that one of the greatest aims of any religion is to encourage us to be good to each other, the emphasis should be there — and on honoring God. Not how to one-up each other. The portion where Baxter counsels women on their wifely duties is linked below. I will not attempt to sugarcoat it — it makes Piper look tame by comparison.
A traditional church building I can understand, but vestments and incense? No kidding? Is that a non-denom mega or have the baptists come to this? I later asked him in Bible class where this new guideline on divorce came from. My hope is in the best that this world has to offer extended into Olam Ha-Ba ,the Jewish version of an afterlife. Remember the foundational premise of TR theology — all moral principles are transcendent, eternal, and irrevocable, since they were established by an eternal unchanging God.
Any problems we have with them stem from our own sinful rebellion against them and can be discounted. The root problem, as Nick and so many others have observed, is that TR ethics are completely OT and Law-centered instead of Christ-centered. I think this must be a Holy Spirit thing. Most of them probably would put an exception in case and let their own kids off the hook, though.
I was speaking of how the world of Seeker Mega marketing and recruitment works. If there were a clear case that 20 to 40 year olds were going liturgical in droves they would be only too happy to adapt some of those accouterments. They have to do this because is it necessary to constantly be recruiting enough new people to replace the ones leaving so that the few million they must have will flow through the coffers each month. I lost one boot to the dogs.
That last is spoken so quietly, I wonder if it was Keenan. I try not to whimper as guards bring out my family, display them on the gallows. Three nooses swing drunkenly in the breeze. Keenan gazes out at me from behind one of them, hopelessness in his eyes. Orrin was going to hide you. Dorei turned her face from me. I told Mum and Da, and they bade me run, get away from the town, stay off the roads.
Season of the Witch
I took nothing but the clothes I wear and some food; a little money tied into a kerchief, running for my brother and the seminary. I got lost in the woods that night. The guards took the money, after they caught me; trapped me halfway up a tree. So did Keenan. Tears leak down his bruised face. Light from the cloud-blurry sky glances off his shorn head, the scabs and gouges glistening with the sweat of despair.
Orange stubble and olive skin and blood. Gulls over the harbor give voice to aching cries that echo in my heart. I tremble harder. What — what can I do? What do we do? Nothing, he sends quickly. I love you, little sister. Try to be brave. People inch further away. Be brave, Rhiannon. Confess to anything they ask you. It — will go quicker that way. Look to the stars. I will sing you to them. His dark eyes hold mine as Deacon Bertram, puffed with his importance, nods to the kirche guard to read the warrant.
The large man intones a judgment of conspiring to murder, and for harboring a witch and consorting with demons. Not one word is true. I am not on this warrant, as I was caught only this morning. The deacon has to clench his very square jaw to keep from grinning, delighting in our downfall. How many here delight in our downfall? The guilds turned us over, because I told people at the market to save a man. Because I Saw with my unsanctified Sight the pastor drowning in the mill pond. Or because I Saw who was with him. Only it happened miles away, so I am a witch.
Mum and Da are shorn of their hair, too, standing in dirty gray shifts, stone-faced beside my brother. Her eyes are on me. I feel a chill spreading the breadth of the air between us; my heart forms frost from her glare. I have ruined the house of Owen-Weaver. Gray stubble dots his chin, his jaw tight with anger and pride and pain. The bruises look green on his skin.
He looks at me, blinks eyes that turn wet, and looks away again. I should have listened when Keenan asked me to turn to the kirche, go to seminary years ago. The Sight is a wayward power, but not dangerous. I was wrong. Not your fault, Rhi. It was … not easy, with the inquisitors. We tried to keep you safe, all of us. We are still trying, even now. But we have to keep Linnet safe. Keep her as safe as we can. But I am not screaming. My wrists twist against the ropes, and the guards shudder in their turn.
A carriage at the edge of the square sits with quite a bit of room around it. I can See a darkness around it like shadows and fog, an ugly gathering of magic and anger festering.